I remember my high school prom. I had asked several girls if they would go with me. They each said they’d love to, but “could they let me know later?” I wasn’t the brightest crayon in the box, but I knew they were really saying, “I’m waiting to see if Bob (or Bill, or Joe, or Steve…) invites me.”
That’s why I ended up going to the prom with my best friend and “wing man”, JAMES.
A statement that Dan Meyer made in one of his blogs caught my attention. He is beginning a search for a new job. He wrote, “Moreover, due to an admixture of experience and arrogance, for the first time in my employment history, I will be interviewing my employers.”
As I thought about that statement I realized that Dan is not being arrogant at all. In fact, he’s simply openly admitting a growing trend among teachers looking for jobs. I remember when I would interview a candidate and if I called to offer a job, they were excited, thankful, and accepted the offer on the spot. Nowadays, it is not uncommon at all for candidates to say “thank you for the offer, but”… (wait for it)…."could they let me know later?”….(ooooh! Shades of my prom!)
There is an understandable shift in the Education Job Market due to three factors: 1) a huge number of educators are either retiring or are eligible for retirement; 2) 35% of teachers leave the career after 5 years; and 3) there is a shortage of certain fields – specifically Math and Science – in which income opportunities are higher in the private marketplace.
As the pool of HIGHLY QUALIFIED applicants shrinks and demand rises, we have a situation straight out of Basic Economics 101. There are more open jobs than there are qualified applicants. The competition for hiring is now taking place between districts, not applicants. What benefits do we offer? How does our pay compare? What is the condition of our buildings?
We have a question on our on-line application which asks applicants: What three things would you most want to know about the students with whom you will work? I logged into the applicant bank and randomly read how 63 applicants answered this question. It gave an interesting snapshot of what applicants might be using as their criteria for choosing a position.
The most common answer was that they wanted to know about socioeconomic make-up and past test scores. The third most common response was about the level of parental involvement.
I’m fairly sure that many of us still end our interviews with some type of question such as, “So do you have any questions for us?” There was a time when the vast majority of applicants would smile and shake their heads “no”. Or they MIGHT ask timidly, in a voice shaking with apprehension and anxiety, “When do you anticipate filling the position?” Those days are long gone. I had an interview last year and when I asked if the applicants had any questions, they ALL did, but one applicant pulled out a LIST and we spent another hour answering her inquiries.
Colleagues, we are in competition for the best teachers. And Dan is 100% correct: WE are the ones being interviewed by the applicants.
So…
I thought it would be enlightening, beneficial – and fun – to interview Dan Meyer. I wanted to see how our interviewing styles would meet both of our expectations.
For role-playing purposes, imagine that Dan and I have been interviewing for about 20 minutes. I’ve already reviewed the basics – resume, application, past education and employment…the small talk is out of the way…and here’s where we pick up….
[Actual Transcript - Interview via Email Q&A.]
Mr. Farr: Mr. Meyer, what has brought you to this point in your career?
Mr. Meyer: Over one great high school, one good high school, and a great teacher education program, I've determined the kind of environment I need to do my best work as a teacher I'm here to find if yours is that environment and if I'm the guy to do that work for you.
Mr. Farr: Well, that's an honest statement. Sounds like we are both on a mission to find the best. I know the basics from your application, but tell me, if you had your pick, which specific classes and at what level would you choose to teach?
Mr. Meyer: I'm most interested in remedial level Algebra and Geometry.
Mr. Farr: Tell me, how are you defining remedial? Special education qualified? Failed past classes? Failed past mandated testing?
Mr. Meyer: I'd like to work with students for whom traditional instruction and first measures have proven unsuccessful. That could mean special education but mostly I'd like the challenge of students who, for whatever reason, are repeating the class.
Mr. Farr: This being an alternative high school, I appreciate that you understand that "traditional" instruction doesn't work for everyone. In your opinion, what causes most of these students to struggle or fail the first time around? And based on that observation, what modifications, accommodations, or alternative methods have you found effective?
Mr. Meyer: It was important for me to realize that the way we traditionally assess math students is broken. We build towards large tests which every student but the indoctrinated either stresses over, schedules absences around, or cheats on, and then, after that grade has been assigned, we move on. Assessment needs to flex to and remain current with a learner's understanding of the course, not stand with its arms crossed in the way of it. I also noticed very recently that the extra time I put into engaging activities, interesting problems, and real-world relevance came back to me ten-fold with fewer disciplinary problems and a happier class. That realization has taken me 90% of the way to becoming the teacher I want to be.
Mr. Farr: Cynical, but true. So why assess at all? Can you describe a form of assessment that you have used in your classroom that meets your expectations for feedback about the student's comprehension? And most important to me, what do you do with the results of the assessments?
Mr. Meyer: I've divided my courses into discrete skills. I rank my students along a four point scale for each skill. I keep a loose grip on those rankings. My students can always improve them and I use them to direct my remediation, to tell me where to focus my efforts.
Mr. Farr: Dan, I have followed you on your blog, and I've read your application and resume. I sense that you would be an excellent addition to this staff, but I want to go back to your opening statement, what you said about determining if this environment is where you want to work. What are looking for? And I'd appreciate you being very specific…is it the facility?...the demographics?...your potential co-horts?...me?... What are you looking at and for?
Mr. Meyers: I have a long list of preferences, wants, and needs, some more pressing than others, all of which I've posted, stupidly probably, on my blog. The most important of these is that my district believes that a teacher's work can and should be assessed meaningfully, that the culture there offers few excuses for the failure of its students, and that I find there a long menu of professional development options — seminars, speakers, and collaboration days.
Mr. Farr: We are huge on the professional development issue. So far our district has 58 professional development sessions available to sign up for this summer and into the Fall. This doesn’t include a whole book of opportunities available through the Educational Service Center which is a ten minute drive from my office. We have had Phillip Schlechty, Gary Gordon, and Doug Reeves here for training, and next month we have Dr. Marzano spending time with us.
We have a program called Action Learning Teams – ALTs – which are teams of teachers who are given 5 days each year to meet and work together in collaboration with teachers from other disciplines, grade levels, or schools.
I think you'd fit here. I think I'd like to work with you. What about you? Would you take the job if it was offered?
Mr. Meyers: It sounds like our values align closely, which is great, and really encouraging. I'd like to spend an hour touring a few math classrooms, speaking to your math department head, and talking to a student or two. After that, let's talk about how soon I can get a place in your faculty parking lot.
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What I found was that the interview worked better as a conversation. I also took a more pro-active role in trying to conduct the interview in an effort to communicate the fact that I did consider this a two-way interview. I tried to communicate and allow for the fact that I realized HE was interviewing ME as much I was interviewing him.
I am embarrassed to admit it. Working for a district considered among the best, I may have been guilty of a cocky attitude with applicants at times. I admit I might have taken a condescending attitude toward applicants…“Sit down and impress me. Why should I hire YOU?” “You’ll be lucky if we honor you by inviting you to work here.” [Harrumph! Such nerve in my younger days! I apologize to all within reading distance for this...]
As applicants are in a position to “shop schools” and students are being given more and more of a choice of moving between schools depending on the school’s rating, we find ourselves in a new role. No longer can we just sit back and expect teachers and students to come to us regardless of how clean our buildings are, how well the grounds are kept, or what neighborhood we’re located in.
The marketplace has changed. If we, as potential employers, are not aware of the fact that the rules have changed, we will not attract and keep the best teachers. We have to sell our districts, our schools, and even ourselves to potential candidates. If we don’t, the best and brightest will interview at the next district on their list.
Although I really think my interview skills are much more polite and even – shall we say – more politically correct now, I want to thank Dan Meyer for driving the final nail home. He’s right on the target. I will approach all interviews from now on from a totally different perspective.
Interviews are no longer One-Way-Impress-Me-Sessions after which we offer someone a job and expect them to act like they won the lottery.
Today’s interviews must be two-way conversations in which BOTH parties have a great deal at stake: putting the right people in the right places for the right reasons.
The ultimate goal of every interview, job offer and eventual hiring must always be offering the very best instruction to all students in all schools.
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