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Kimberly Moritz

Pete, May I be the first to say, "BRAVO!" Outstanding, thought provoking, challenging, spot on. Kimberly

Terry Elliott

I agree with the critique, but are you willing to consider the change all the way to the bottom? Redesign the system. Go ahead, fiddle while the Titanic burns. The change you are advocating is extensive and system and above and beyond the educational system. I don't think anything else will work or if it does it will ultimately marginalize itself and fail in its attempt to change the larger system.

brian saxton

Pete,
Very thought provoking post. You have many great statements in there. I think you have hit on many "lessons" that unfortunatley are being reinforced daily and even worse by very good teachers who have been trained by the system. I am not even sure as to how to start changing things, but at least you are getting me to think about it.

Brian

John Witter

You did a great job of addressing our weaknesses. I see a lot of my classes in the article. Now I need to fix it.

@Terry - "Fiddle while the Titanic burns"? While I'm not sure what you mean, I do think what Pete is advocating is a systemic change, simply BECAUSE all other attempts to improve education have been marginalized in the past. It the "flavor of the month" syndrome. The only way to truly move past that is to see where the system is weak and change it to reflect the needs of society, especially the ones that education can help fill.

Neil Rochelle

Bravo! John, you really hit a nerve. Changing the paradigm is probably our greatest challenge as leaders. Your points about students and student learning are right on. In a high performing school district, these issues go unnoticed. Many high achieving students have learned the system and know how to get those good grades. It is the struggling student that needs to learn in a different way that causes the problem.

I am impressed by your observations, your ability to articulate the issues and the thoughts you have provoked.

KDeRosa

to redesign the system so that it empowers students to think for themselves, to find answers (and questions) wherever they lie, and to nourish the flame of curiosity so it burns throughout their lives.

So by this logic, why wouldn't kids who think for themselves, are able to find answers (and questions), and are able to nourish the flame of courisity be able to accurately fill in a few bubbles on a simple multiple choice test to demonstrate that they've achieved these abilities?

If children are well educated shouldn't they be able to fill in a few bubbles correctly?

Eric Hoefler

To KDeRosa, RE: "If children are well educated shouldn't they be able to fill in a few bubbles correctly?"

A) Standardized testing doesn't seem to be the focus of this post. Why are you reducing it to that?

B) The problem with standardized testing is its tendency to be reductive.

C) Sure, filling in bubbles shouldn't be that tough for students who are educated in the kind of system being advocated here, provided the test is valid (ahem). But that system doesn't exist.

D) If you bank the success of your system on filling in bubbles, you get the kind of wrong-headedness described in this post (and in Gatto's "7-Lesson Schoolteacher")

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